Lemon or Lime Curd

2008-06-30 20:37:01

Lemon or Lime Curd
Makes 1-1/2 cups
Totally Lemons Cookbook
3 eggs
3/4 cup Splenda
1 tbsp finely grated lemon or lime zest
1 cup lemon or lime juice
4 tbsp cold butter, cut into tablespoon slices
In a bowl or on top of a double boiler, whisk eggs until smooth.
Whisk in
the
Splenda, zest and lemon or lime juice. Place over small pan of
simmering
water or double boiler bottom and cook over low heat, stirring
constantly
with a
wooden spoon until thick and pale yellow, 7 to 10 minutes. Taste; if
it's
too
tart, add more Splenda. Stir in butter, 1 tablespoon at a time, until
thoroughly combined and smooth. Set bowl over ice to cool, stirring
frequently. Cover
with plastic wrap and store in the refrigerator for up to five days.
Nutrition information per (2-tablespoon) serving: Calories 57;Carbs
2g;Protein 2g;Fat 5g;Chol 63mg;Sodium 46mg;Fiber 0g Diabetic
exchanges per

Summer Day's Slaw

2008-06-30 18:47:00

Summer Day's Slaw
Joanna Lund
June 2003 HE Newsletter Page 1
1/2 cup Kraft fat-free mayonnaise
1 Tablespoon white distilled vinegar
2 Tablespoons Splenda Granular
1/8 teaspoon black pepper
3 cups purchased coleslaw mix
1/4 cup finely chopped onion
1/4 cup finely chopped green bell pepper or Red!
In a medium bowl, combine mayonnaise, vinegar, Splenda and black
pepper. Add
coleslaw mix, onion and green pepper. Mix well to combine. Cover and
refrigerate for at least 30 minutes. Gently stir again just before
serving.
Serves 4(3/4 cup)
Each serving equals:
HE: 1Ve, 1/4Sl, 3OC
44 calories, 0g Fa, 1g Pr, 10g Ca, 252mg So, 36mg CL,2g Fi

Rice & Cheese Casserole

2008-06-30 16:24:09

Rice & Cheese Casserole
Serves 6
2-1/2 cups Brown Rice, cooked
3 Green Onions chopped
1 cup Cottage Cheese lowfat
1 tsp Dillweed
1/4 cup Parmesan Cheese grated
1/2 cup Milk, 1% lowfat
1/2 tsp Dijon Mustard
Combine all ingredients in a large mixing bowl. Pour into a
casserole dish which has been prepared with nonstick cooking spray.
Bake in
a preheated 350 deg F oven for 15 to 20 minutes.
145 Calories;2g Fat;9g Protein;22g Carbs;5mg Chol;233mg Sodium;2g
Fiber

Easy Stroganoff Bake

2008-06-30 01:25:43

Healthy exchanges
by JoAnna Lund
Easy Stroganoff Bake
1 (10-3/4 oz) can Healthy Request Cream of Mushroom Soup
1/2 cup Land O Lakes no-fat sour cream
2 tsp dried onion flakes
1 tsp dried parsley flakes
1-1/2 cups (8 oz) diced cooked lean roast beef
1/2 cup (2.5 oz jar) sliced mushrooms, drained
2 cups cooked noodles, rinsed and drained
1/2 tsp paprika
Preheat oven to 350 deg F. Spray an 8- by 8-inch baking dish with
butter-flavored cooking spray. In a large bowl, combine mushroom
soup, sour
cream,
onion flakes and parsley flakes. Add roast beef and mushrooms. Mix
well to
combine. Stir in noodles. Spread mixture into prepared baking dish.
Evenly
sprinkle
paprika over top. Bake for 5 minutes. Divide into 4 servings.
Serves 4
283 Calories,7g Fat,22g Protein,33g Carbs,466mg Sodium,2g Fiber

Re: ~*~Dave~*~

2008-06-30 00:09:49

Hello Dave,
Glad to hear from you. I know that you have not been in chat and I
was wondering what was wrong with you, but am glad that you posted to
let us know. How is the veterans flag going ? Hope things are going
well with that. I saw you online today and went to talk to you, but
when I got to you, you were gone. Dave, I know you are depressed and
have not been feeling very good, and I just read that you have picked
up the bottle again. Now, I am not going to preach at you...You are
my friend...Please do what you can to stop...I know its hard, but I
don't want you hurting yourself more. I care about you hun...With
that said...I will not say anymore about it!!!
This weekend is Fathers Day---Are you going to see your kids ? I hope
so... I am going to see my Daddy, and spend the day with him ...Go to
church with him and then out to eat. Then come home and spend the
rest of the day with the other Dad in my life!!! I hope things are
going well for you today. You know that you are in my thoughts and
prayers Dave. Keep your chin up!!!
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: Sorry I've been gone so long from the group lately~*~Kimber~*~

2008-06-29 19:15:20

Hello Kimber,
Glad to have you back. I am glad that you had a good time at the
science fiction convention and your pancreas behaved itself!!!! Sorry
about the cold though. We miss you when you are not here!!! Hope you
are having a good weekend this weekend. Our thougths and prayers are
with you.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: New Member~*~Lyn~*~

2008-06-29 07:50:31

Hello Lyn,
Welcome to our Family at TPP (The Pancreatitis Place). I would like
to take a moment of your time to introduce myself. My name is Denise
Hammett and I live in South Carolina. TPP was created for those
suffering from Acute or Chronic Pancreatitis (or related conditions)
and their caregivers .If you have questions about this illness,
please feel free to jump right in and ask. Someone will answer you.
If you just need a shoulder to cry on. We are here for you. When
you're having a bad day and feel the need to vent about what is
happening in your life, let us know what going on. We are here to
share the good days as well as the bad days. We have members here
that have suffered for 15 or more years. This group is here to share
and learn all we can to deal with this illness on a day by day basis.
Feel free to check out the links section. We are always adding new
links to it. You can also check out our photo section and see who you
are posting to and maybe put a photo up of you. We also have Chat 2
times a week. One on Wednesday night and Sunday night at 7:00 Eastern
Standard Time. You can access the chat room with either AIM or AOL.
If you need help accessing the chat room, please feel free to contact
one of the mangament team.
Once again I want to give you the warmest welcome to our family here
at TPP You are not alone with this illness any more.You have joined a
family of caring people that are here to help in any way they can.
Our thoughts and Prayers are with you . Have a Blessed Day
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: Pancreas Recovery

2008-06-29 06:54:40

Tony,
It all depends on the damage that has been done to your pancreas
already as to its ability to restart producing insulin. It takes
months to show this and if you keep having attacks, that is not a
good sign. Diabetes and Pancreatitis goes hand in hand.
As for as coffee, I can only tell you about me and my history. I
would drink coffee day and night during my early days of
pancreatitis. The only problem was I kept getting attacks one right
after another that landed me in the hospital. I knew that when I woke
up in the morning with some pain, not to eat. I would have a cup or
two on the way to the shop. Not knowing what brought on violent
attacks, I kept right on drinking it. It was not until many years
later that I link the attacks to coffee. I gave it up to decaf and
the pain slowed a good bit then. Since I have burned out my pancreas,
I can now have it again. It does not bother me so bad though there
are other triggers. So yes, please slow down and switch to deaf or
stop drinking it, if you see this is a trigger for you. Sorry buddy,
for this news but the better armed you are with info, the better you
are going to be to making proper health decisions.
Thoughts and Prayers,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

For Dave

2008-06-29 05:35:33

Dave,
It's ok you slip that all we all make mistakes. It can
happen to the best of us. Now I want you to take that bottle and
pour it down the sink if not for me, for yourself. Do this form one
racing buddy to another Dave. You know we all love you and really
care about you. We have to stick to getter here my friend. You have
a lot of good things going on right now with your new invention.
Dave I am so very sorry you have to go throw all this with your PCP,
but things will work out. Just hang in there. I'll be calling you
tonight and we can talk. Typing is not my strongest point but
everyone here knows that...until then My Man....
P.S. Dave Polly not doing well right now, she been real sick to. Seem
most of tour members are having a lot of pain this week .. most be
the air....
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

For Tony

2008-06-28 16:59:34

Hi Tony,
On your question about coffee, their really isn't a "yes or no"
on this one Sir. Some of our members have no problem with coffee and
others do. I would like for you to go back and read John's post
#11010 dated 4/4/04. John offers another view I fine very interesting
and make a good point on this question. He also includes his e-mail
address so I would drop him a note as well. I know you love a glass
of wine with you dinner so I truly hope you don't have to give up
coffee too. So if you decide to drink coffee here are a few more
suggestion you may what to think about.
1: switch over to decaf
2: No fat creamer or milk
3: Make your coffee a bit weaker
John also wrote "if you have a doupt, don't do it. As long as
you research all" good words to live by
I may have an answer on your second question by Tuesday. I hope
so I hope you do well my friend and have a pain free weekend.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

~*~Rhonda~*~

2008-06-28 09:19:30

Hey Rhonda,
How is Amanda doing today ? I hope she is doing better. I am glad
that she was able to handle the homemade soup. I know that is alot
better that the hospital food. Robert just hate that food. I have to
take him food into the hospital or he will refuse to eat, and he
don't need to lose any weight either. When do you think she will be
able to come home? I saw you online just a little while ago. I hope
she is doing good tonight. Please tell her that I have been thinking
about her. I should have called you at the hosptail, but things have
not been so good here at the hose, with my blood pressure and then
with Robert getting upset over worrying about me, he ended up
hurting. Even though I didn't call you, Amanda was still vey much in
our thoughts and prayers. Give her a ((((BIG HUG))))) from me. Take
care of yourself also Rhonda. We are still praying your Amanda and
will continue to.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Every one

2008-06-28 06:40:30

Hi to everyone
Sorry I haven`t been to chat in awhile,I`m not doing so well.I`ve
been so depreesed lately its hard to cope anymore. I picked up the
bottle again which only makes things worse, very stupid of me,I know.
They upped my pain meds on percocets to 10/650mg every 6 hrs. I have
to go for a MRCP on the 28th and then another ERCP to drain a cycst,
which is causeing all the problems. As you know they can`t operate on
me again, I don`t even want anotherERCP this will be the 26th. MY PCP
couldnt even remember what happened to me on my last operation, I
only died 48hrs after the operation and was put on life support for 7
days, at least i remember the dieing part. All my shrinks want me to
get a new PCP I`m going to try today. I want to thank you all for the
support you`ve given me in the past and hope it will continue. I hope
to make it through all this and maybe things will get better.
DAVE
PS THANKS POLLY

Welcome Debi

2008-06-28 03:55:25

Debi,
I too just wanted to welcome you to the group, but am sorry that you
have to deal with this disease. I, too, have diabetes as well as chronic
pancreatitis (as well as other problems). Hope you are having as little
pain as possible.
Kimber
--
Kimber Allen
Vallejo, CA
hominid2@...
Note: All advice given is personal opinion, not equal to that of a licensed
physician or health care professional.

Pancreas Recovery

2008-06-27 15:51:29

I would be grateful if someone could help me with a couple of
questions:
After surgery to remove my gall bladder and dead tissue from my
pancreas, also to drain a Pseudocyst, my surgeon told me that when
the pancreas recovers there is a possibility that it will start to
produce insulin again therefore curing me of the diabetes which I
got after pancreatitis.
Is this a realistic possibility? it would be extremely good news if
this does happen.
I have read that drinking coffee is very bad for the pancreas is
this true? I drink about four cups daily and if I have to give that
up as well it would be depressing.
Regards
Tony
(Berkshire UK)

Re: Andre'

2008-06-27 11:07:07

Stock car racing? i don't think so. But you are right about
avoiding any "jarring: motion as they are sure triggers for an
attack. I used to run (3-5 miles per day) but had to give it up due
to this illness. I couldn't take the pounding. It was nice of you
to take time off from your "con(?)" to write back to me. I'm in a
really bad place rightnow both physically and mentally. I've had
about enough of this...
Andre'

Re: Welcome Debi

2008-06-27 07:01:37

Welcome Debi,
I am so sorry you have to deal with diabetes and chronic
pancreatic. We have several members sadly to say that share this
with you. I just wanted to take a moment of your time and welcome
you to the group and hope this note fines you having a pain free
week
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: [ThePancreatitisPlace] Welcome Back Kimber

2008-06-26 20:42:47

Gary,
the Science Fiction convention was great. This convention isn't a Major
convention, just a local one that they have every year so they have only
moderately famous people there. There wasn't anyone major there, but
there was one of my favorite authors there and she announced a new book
(actually, she's an editor for my favorite anthologies, the "Chicks in
Chainmail" series and a new one is due to come out soon. They are a lot
of hilarious stories in these anthologies. All are supposed to be
comedic stories about women in "bronze bras", poking fun at the old
stereotype of women in fantasy many eons ago. The titles of the books
are funny too: Chicks in Chainmail, Did ya say Chicks, Chicks and
Chained Males, The Chick is in the Mail. I don't remember what the new
title is, but it was a really bad pun.
Mom behaved herself and didn't bring any strange critters home, though I
brought a stuffed dragon home that's designed to sit on your shoulder
(or anywhere else you can get him to sit).
Thanks for the pain free wishes. I hope ReeAnn is doing okay.
Kimber
--
Kimber Allen
Vallejo, CA
hominid2@...
Note: All advice given is personal opinion, not equal to that of a licensed
physician or health care professional.

Re: Hospital Food - To Robert

2008-06-26 14:29:30

Robert,
I agree with you about getting outside food into the hospital.
Amanda has lost 4 pounds so far, and she doesn't have it to lose.
But, once she gets back on her feet, she is a good eater and I am
sure she will get the weight back on. I did take her some homemade
soup yesterday and she was able to enjoy it.
Tell Denise I said hello.
Rhonda
Tulsa, OK

Welcome Back Kimber

2008-06-26 13:55:46

Hello Kimber
I was wondering how the Science Fiction Fair went. Where their
any big stars on hand and if so did you get any autographs. It was
so grand that your pancreas was in a good mood. You really deserve
this vacation and I so happy it went well for you. So was mom good
while she was their, she didn't bring home any space critter did she
LOL. Don't worry about the old mail it happen to the best of us.
Wish you well and a pain free week
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Relief At Last~*~Andre' ~*~

2008-06-26 02:37:35

Hi Andre, I'm Brenda 31 year old with CP since Nov. 2000, working mother with
two small sons. I know what you mean about doing things you're not suppose to
and regreting it afterwards. Once i feel alittle better on the weekends or week
nights i get up and start cleaning the house or go to my mother's house and mow
her yard....Then boy oh boy do i regret it afterwards, but if u dont do at that
spur of the moment. it seems like it will never get done.
Im so glad to hear that you are eating now. This disease really does take alot
out of you..But your a strong person...and my thoughts and prayers are with you
..Take care...
Brenda

Sorry I've been gone so long from the group lately

2008-06-25 20:18:52

Hi all,
I'm so sorry that I've been offline for so long. I just couldn't seem to
catch up with the backlogged messages, so I've deleted them all and will
just continue to read the new messages. I hope everyone is doing well
and if anyone sent me a message in the past three weeks, you might want
to resend it to me since I deleted my backlogged messages. I've been
doing fairly well pancreas wise lately (knock on wood). While I was
away, I had gone to a science fiction convention and I really enjoyed
myself and my pancreas behaved while I was there. I did catch a nasty
cold though afterwards, which has finally departed. I missed all of you
while I was gone and I don't know what I would do without all of you.
Looking forward to reading the new messages and seeing how you are all
doing.
Kimber
--
Kimber Allen
Vallejo, CA
hominid2@...
Note: All advice given is personal opinion, not equal to that of a licensed
physician or health care professional.

Re: [ThePancreatitisPlace] Hi Tony

2008-06-25 18:51:27

Hi Tony, I'm sorry to hear that ur going through so much...This disease is
horrible. I was diagnosed with it since November 2000 and i'm a 31 yr old female
with 2 young sons. I work and it's hard .....I am also on pain medications and
now going to a pain management doctor also...They did the procedure with the
spine...(the celiac block) which didnt work either. I am now in the process in
trying to get a pain pump...It is put into ur body and medication drips slowly
so u can get the relief...u might want to talk to ur doctor about that...Robert
has had one install years ago and had wonderful outcome with it...I wish you
luck and hope u pain free days.. Take care and my prayers are with u.
Brenda

my family

2008-06-25 14:55:06

When I left the group a month or so ago, I was quite upset with my family,
mainly my husband and sister. I really felt as if they had betrayed my trust in
them and were discussing me behind my back. I think, to some extent, I was
being overly sensitive and over reacted a bit. Within a day or so after I left
all my online groups, I worked everything out with my family. I assured them
that I was well within compliance of the amount of pain meds my pain doc allows
me to take. I told them that they were all welcome at any time to talk with me
or any of my doctors about my pain medication or any other medical issues. I
think my husband was initially suprised to find out that I had actually been
taking a fair amount less pain medication in the month or so prior to his
becoming concerned. I made it clear to him and the rest of my family that if
they are concerned, all they ever have to do is ask me. Everything was worked
out and my hurt feelings and sense of being betrayed was put aside. We all
apologized to each other and agreed that in the future, we'll all discuss any
issues openly.
I know many of you were concerned about me and it just occurred to me that I
never took the time to let you all know that everything is fine with my family.
I do think I probably was spending a little too much time on the computer, so
the break was a good thing. I love each of you as well as the members of my
many other groups. the problem is that there is only one me and I have many,
many online friends that I could easily spend 24 hours a day talking to! I do
so love to talk! So, the break from the groups was really necessary, even
though I do miss my friends. The pancreatitis place is the only group I have
rejoined and I don't know if I will ever find the time and energy to rejoin my
other groups.
I am truly blessed with a wonderful family and I really don't think my husband
and sister's worries about me were out of malice. They really do love me and I
think they just felt that I had too much going on for my own good with Nikki's
wedding, my online groups, and trying to keep up with my many doctor's appts.
So, please know that all is once again well with my family. My husband is very
protective of me, as is the rest of my family. My sis is truly my best friend
and I think part of her worries are about what may happen to me, but also she
worries what the future may hold for her, my daughter, Nikki, and her son,
Michael who is 8 years old and actually her biological grandson. The more
testing they do, the more they find that my sis and I have more in common than
we ever dreamed. Both my sis and I got a gene from our mother and our father
that leads to autoimmune diseases. This is rather odd because as far as we know
neither our mother or our father actually have any autoimmune diseases. At this
point, my 22 year old daughter, Nikki, has rheumatoid arthritis,
antiphospholipid syndrome (same autoimmune clotting disorder my sis and I have),
and asthma. My sis, Betty, who is 5 1/2 years older than me at 48 has the
antiphospholipid syndrome, ankylosing spondylitis, sjogren's syndrome, a genetic
IgG deficiency (which is caused by one of the same genes that causes autoimmune
diseases), and possibly lupus. My nephew, Michael, had henoch schonlein purpura
at age 2. The HSP seems to have totally resolved but it is an autoimmune
syndrome, which sometimes follows an upper respiratory virus in young children.
He is exhibiting some signs of other possible autoimmune diseases, but for now
they are just watching him. As most of you know, I have systemic lupus,
autoimmune hepatitis, genetic IgG deficiency, antiphospholipid syndrome (which
has already led to at least 3 mini strokes despite the fact that I am on blood
thinners - coumadin), chronic pancreatitis, and type II diabetes (probably
caused by the pancreatitis). They really don't know what caused the chronic
pancreatitis. My current GI/hepatologist says he doesn't think it's autoimmune,
but my internal med doc says he just cannot believe that my pancreatitis does
not have some sort of autoimmune link since everything else going wrong in my
body can be linked to autoimmune diseases. I fly to the Mayo Clinic in
Rochester, Minnesota on Sunday for a week long appt beginning on Monday, June
21st. It will be interesting to see what the doctors at Mayo have to say about
me.
So, you can see why my family is somewhat overprotective of me, my time, and the
activities I use my energy for.
Just wanted to let you know that things are once again wonderful with my family
and I really am blessed to have so many people who love and care for me. I will
check in with the group when I can, but please feel free to e-mail me personally
any time you'd like. You are all in my thoughts and prayers daily.
Love to all,
Karen Weston

Andre'

2008-06-25 03:11:18

I understand grass cutting so well and the damage it can do. It is
defintely a triger of pancreatitis. The more trama you put your body
in in a weaken state the more pain you can have. There are lot of
other body shaking ways this can happen but anything with vibration
is really a bad trigger. Just don't try any stock car racing for a
long while or you may find that grass cutting is just the tip of the
iceberg. I hope you get to feeling better very soon. I was going to
write you personally but I have been having to deal with attacks from
India in attempts to con a lot of members out of thousands of dollars
and this has been a long time consuming ordeal.
Thoughts and Prayers,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

Re: HELLO TO EVERYONE,HOME ONCE AGAIN FROM THE HOSPTIAL

2008-06-25 00:46:46

Dear Ruthie,
I have been wondering just where you were at. Sorry to hear you were
back in the hospital so soon again. The whipple surgery presents a
new set of problems. Things are made the same way anymore. The tests
they run really can blow the minds of those who do not expect the
findings they try to read. The cat scan will blow many minds for
sure. It is like you have to explain everything that was done to you
before hand. I sure hope you get the islet cell transplant soon
before more damage is done and can not have this done. Looking
forward to seeing you in chat tonight.
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

For Robert and Denise

2008-06-24 22:26:22

Robert and Denise
End of another Day,Well time for me to get ready and go home to
see how ReeAnn doing. Can hardly wait for dinner time. Nothing like
being a caregiver Denise. You know what they say "Out of site out of
mine". So it's Jello for the both of us tonight. Now you got to
call this true love....LOL.... Hope everyone has a fine day and
Robert feeling better catch you in chat tonight.
PS. Yes Robert, I know it's trash night Thanks for the reminder.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Thanks Rhonda

2008-06-24 15:33:56

Rhonda,
I will let Ree know you ask about her tonight and You're so right
Summer time is supposted to be about fun in the sun. I have to work
on that LOL. Thanks for the prayers you're in ours too.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

To Gary

2008-06-24 10:01:34

Gary,
Please tell ReeAnn that I said hello and that I hope she is back to
good very soon. Summer time is supposted to be about fun in the sun,
so I am sending up special prayers that all here can have some pain
free days and weeks! Take care
Rhonda
Tulsa

Re: [ThePancreatitisPlace] Digest Number 817

2008-06-24 04:56:31

My dad reports that Cherie does well for a few days, then gets sick for a few
days. He told me that he thinks she may be "drifting into diabetes" because
she's eating York Peppermint Patties all the time, but says that she has given
up the Entemann's cakes. It appears that her disability will be approved soon,
but he said that if she gets disability, she won't be eligible for Medicare for
two years. He's very concerned about the lack of insurance because her
medications currently cost about $1000 per month.
Thanks for your concern.
Diane
Colorado Springs, CO
E-mail: BootsScoochnBoogie@...
Personal Web Pages: http://Tennchief.home.att.net
Business Web Site: http://SayItMyWay.home.att.net

Re: ReeAnn and Gary

2008-06-23 19:47:10

Hi Every One,
Thanks for the kind words, support and prayers for ReeAnn, she is
doing a little better this morning. I went to the drugstore last
night and pick up some RX's for her, seem to be working a bit better
for her. ReeAnn just needs to get some rest now and hopefully she'll
be back to her old self. I hope everyone is doing Ok and having a
pain free week.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

HELLO TO EVERYONE,HOME ONCE AGAIN FROM THE HOSPTIAL

2008-06-23 08:40:02

Hi Guys,
Well i guess everyone has been wondering why i posted me being
home and then you havent heard anything else.Well i posted that night
and the next day 05/26 i had to be put back in.I had a really bad
attack,so i was in for 2 and a half weeks this time.My pancrease is
not draining the way it should so they done a ercp to try and put a
stent in but they had no luck because when i had the whipple it makes
it hard to get where they need to,so i will just have to deal with it
until i have the islet transplant.But I am feeling alot better,I am
gonna try and stay home for awhile.....LOL....well i sure hope this
email finds everyone else doing well.I will keep you all in my
prayers,and just maybe i can chat tomorrow.Take care and I am
thinking of you all.
Your Friend,
Ruthie

ReeAnn and Gary

2008-06-23 00:51:11

ReeAnn and Gary,
I am so sorry that this has happened again so soon after the last
attack. I know that you have been going down hill for a while but was
praying that it would take an up turn for the best. Thanks Gary for
the update and know that you and your family are very dear to us. You
have always been there for us. Take care of sis for us.
Many Thoughts and Prayers,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

Debi Welcome to TPP

2008-06-22 19:50:49

You are a wonderful asset to both groups. We have much to share in
this horrible disease. I hope in some way way we can be a comfort to
each other in a world gone so mad. Please let me know if there is
anything you need.
Thoughts and Prayers,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

Re: We're home!

2008-06-22 19:04:06

Diane and family,
Welcome back home. I wanted you to know we had prayers that you would
have a safe and enjoyable trip. Being out on the road nowadays can be
very dangerous. I feel our angels were with you to guide you back to
us. Glad you are back with us. How are your sister and dad?
Thoughts and Prayers,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

Hosted Chat ~ Denise & Robert, 6/16/2004, 7:00 pm

2008-06-22 10:30:48

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Happy Birthday Brenda!!!!!!!!!!

2008-06-22 00:24:37

Happy Birthday Brenda!!!!
I wish you all the peace, happiness and pain free days in the world....
today....and Always.
((((((((((((((((((Brenda)))))))))))))))))))))
Your Friend :o)
Polly
"May Angels Wrap Their Arms Around You and Lift You to Utter Heights of
Happiness Today"

Re: We're home!~*~Diane~*~

2008-06-21 23:46:11

Hello Diane,
Welcome Home!!!! It sure sounds like you had a wonderful time on your
vacation. I would have loved seeing the dogs doing all the things
they have learned. I love animals. I am in the process of searching
for a small doggie for the inside. I have 1 big doggie and a dig
kitty that is almost as big as our doggie!!! How is your Sister and
Dad doing? I hope she is feeling good today. Please let her know that
she is in our prayers.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: New Member~*~Tony~*~

2008-06-21 12:47:29

Welcome to our Family at TPP (The Pancreatitis Place). I would like
to take a moment of your time to introduce myself. My name is Denise
Hammett and I live in South Carolina. TPP was created for those
suffering from Acute or Chronic Pancreatitis (or related conditions)
and their caregivers .If you have questions about this illness,
please feel free to jump right in and ask. Someone will answer you.
If you just need a shoulder to cry on. We are here for you. When
you're having a bad day and feel the need to vent about what is
happening in your life, let us know what going on. We are here to
share the good days as well as the bad days. We have members here
that have suffered for 15 or more years. This group is here to share
and learn all we can to deal with this illness on a day by day basis.
Feel free to check out the links section. We are always adding new
links to it. You can also check out our photo section and see who you
are posting to and maybe put a photo up of you. We also have Chat 2
times a week. One on Wednesday night and Sunday night at 7:00 Eastern
Standard Time. You can access the chat room with either AIM or AOL.
If you need help accessing the chat room, please feel free to contact
one of the mangament team.
Once again I want to give you the warmest welcome to our family here
at TPP You are not alone with this illness any more.You have joined a
family of caring people that are here to help in any way they can.
Our thoughts and Prayers are with you .
Have a Blessed Day
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: All Board Members~*~Gary & Reeann~*~

2008-06-21 09:28:37

Gary,
Thank you for writing to let us now about ReeAnn. I have been really
worried about her. I hope she is feeling some better today. Please
let her know that she is in out thoughts and prayers.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Tony

2008-06-21 05:14:47

Hi Tony
As far as the coffee goes I still drink it but I drink decaf, and I`m
affraid theres no way my diabetes is going away. Mine is type 2
Good to
hear from you
Dave

~*~HAPPY BIRTHDAY BREN~*~

2008-06-21 00:31:12

Hey Girl,
I hope you are having a blast of a day on your birthday!!!!! I tried
to IM you to tell you Happy Birthday, but you must have been at your
party??!!! :) Tell Mario and Ruben to give you your birthday
spanking. And give you an extra one from me since I can't do it
myself. Theran, Take Bren out to a nice dinner!!!
Love ya
Denise

Re: HI Tony

2008-06-20 18:02:54

Gary thanks for your message, I am not sure if we have pain clinics
here in uk but I shall mention it to my doctor when I next see him,
it certainley would be good if we do as I am in considerable pain
especially since the frozen shoulder started.
Yes I do agree what you say with regard to alcohol, I will miss it
though as I use to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner each day, never
mind health comes first.
I would be interested to know if any other members have got diabetes
as a result of pancreatitis and what are the chances of the pancreas
producing insulin again, therefore losing the diabetes. I am
injecting 10 units of insulin in the mornings and 8 units in the
evening before dinner, so my pancreas must be making some insulin.
Tomorrow I have an appointment with a diabetes specialist so I am
hoping that he will be able to help me get my blood sugar levels
stable.
Regards
Tony

Re: Tony

2008-06-20 17:35:07

Hello Dave
It was nice of you to get in touch, I must say I am fighting off
depression but with some difficulty. There seems such a lot to come
to terms with, like I cannot now eat what I like and no alcohol and
I have just read that coffee is also bad for people with pancreas
problems, so do I have to give up coffee as well?
Is your diabetes permanent or will you recover from it once your
pancreas gets better? I think I can handle the problems with the
pancreas but I it very difficult to cope with the diabetes as well.
Once again many thanks for getting in touch
Regards
Tony

Re: [ThePancreatitisPlace] Tony

2008-06-20 06:22:44

Hey Tony
Welcome to our family TPP,you`ll find alot of love and careing ,
and sharing hear. Don`t be affraid to use us we are here for you. My name is
Dave , I haveCP I got mine by drinking, yes I`m an alcoholic. I also have
diabetes. After being diagnosed I continued to drink and that only made things
worse. I would spened at least a wk to 10 days in the hospital each month, no
fun
believe me. oh yes I also live alone and it is scary at times. Had a girl
friend for 21 yrs and she left a wk before last xmass, she could`nt handle my
sickness any more. It was a real shock at first but I`m getting over it now. Had
a
little slip a few wks ago after 3 yrs of being sober. The pain and being
depreesed just got the best of mebut with the help and new friends you`ll find
here
will get me through this. Sorry to vent on you but its just one of those
days. Your in the right place pal hope to hear from you.
YOUR FRIEND
DAVE

Happy Birthday Brenda

2008-06-19 23:29:41

H a p p y B i r t h d a y B r e n d a,
So you're 29 once again Brenda, LOL....I hope you have a pain
free birthday and your boys spoil you rotten on your special day
girl. Oh, save me some ice-cream and cake too.
PS love the new pic's you added to the web site.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

HI Tony

2008-06-19 22:09:26

Welcome Tony,
I am so sorry to hear you have to deal with this disease
Pancreatitis and having diabetes as well. We are glad you have found
us so please Tony you don't need to feel along any more. You will
meet some wonderful people as time goes by here at TPP. We are a
small family, but a caring one.
One very important note you said your doctor said no more
alcohol. Well let me just say he is so right, you need to stay
completely away for all alcohol product. This means any thing that
may have alcohol in it Tony.
I have a few question if I may Tony. Do you have a Pain Clinic
or a Pain Manage Clinic where you live and if so have you talk to
your doctor about it yet? There are many different ways to manage
the pain you are dealing with like "cell block", "pain patch" and "a
pain pump". These are things you may want to talk to your Doctor
down the road. You still may need to be on some kind of pain med to
take the edge off on those bad days. Also Tony has your Doctor
suggested you talk to a Nutritionist about your diet. You will have
to be on a Fat Free, Sugar Free and Low Carb diet. This is not an
easy thing to do, you may not want to take on this one along.
Tony since you are located in a different county also keep in
mine things are not the same here in the states as where you live.
The pain med's has different names here unlike where you live. So go
slowly and do your research carefully Sir and we will help you all
that we can. I wish you the best and hope you find the pain relief
you need. I want to welcome you once again as a new member of our
family.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

All Board Members

2008-06-19 12:47:55

To All,
First let me apologize from be absent form the board. ReeAnn has
been sick since Wednesday of last week. I had to take her to the ER
Monday morning since the pain got to bad for her to handle. She
still not doing well and hopefully her GI will see her today. I will
try to catch up with the e-mail when I get home this afternoon.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION Of Creon Enzymes And Fact Sheets

2008-06-19 10:42:01

((((((DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION))))))))))
(((((((Clinical experience should dictate initial starting dose.
Doses should be taken during meals or snacks, not before or after. Do
not take without food.)))))))

We're home!

2008-06-18 18:33:36

What a great trip!
First stop was Lead Hill, Arkansas to attend the wedding of our friends Daphne &
Steve. We hadn't expected to see much of them due to last-minute preparations,
but were delighted to be included in everything! We had a wonderful visit
Thursday evening, then participated in the rehearsal Friday evening and had a
great time visiting afterwards. The wedding and reception were beautiful and
Bill had fun capturing special moments on video for them. We had breakfast with
friends & family on Sunday, then headed off to Beardie Camp at Purina Farms near
St. Louis, Missouri.
Beardie Camp is a 3-day non-competitive event for Bearded Collies and their
people from all over that is held every two years. In spite of the very hot,
humid weather, we had a wonderful time! It was great visiting with old friends,
meeting new friends, and enjoying watching our dogs and everyone elses' trying
out new activities and playing together. We were responsible for the first
night's entertainment . . . beardie "line dancing". We also taught two
introduction to Freestyle (dancing with your dog) classes. Boogie got to try
herding again (his first time since the first Beardie Camp in 2000 since we
missed the 2002 event) and did wonderfully. He also participated with me in a
game called "My Dog Can Do That". Shadow passed his Herding Instinct test and
was introduced to tracking. Scooch did agility and also played "My Dog Can Do
That" with Bill. "My Dog Can Do That" was so much fun, we plan to buy the game
for use in our therapy visits.
We took three days to make the normal 2-day trip home, just to relax and unwind
a bit. Tomorrow will be spent unpacking the RV, then we'll be back to work.
Diane & Bill
Scooch, Boogie & Shadow
Colorado Springs, CO
E-mail: BootsScoochnBoogie@...
Personal Web Pages: http://Tennchief.home.att.net
Business Web Site: http://SayItMyWay.home.att.net

The Chatroom Is Open!!!

2008-06-18 17:18:03

We look forward to seeing you there!!!!
Thanks,
Robert

Elavil

2008-06-18 07:28:39

Elavil is supplied as 10 mg, 25 mg, 50 mg, 75 mg, 100 mg, and 150 mg
tablets
http://tinyurl.com/27wb7
http://tinyurl.com/3bevx

just a gripe

2008-06-18 05:56:48

Here i am waking up at my usual time on the weekend 10:30 am. Hating
it because my 7 and 4 yr old want me to go outside and play. And all
i want to do is sleep all day. Just in that mood of griping sorry
everyone. Just wandering why i have this disease , why anyone has
this disease..It makes it feel like im worthless, when i'm usually
an active person that never stops. But it seems to be getting worse
everyday. I dont mean to make anyone feel bad im just needing a
shoulder to cry on today...just not a good day for me..
Brenda

Re: South Beach Diet Jang

2008-06-17 23:22:28

Jang I tried the South Beach Diet or the form of it before I came
down with pancreatitis. I lost some weight but I can not say anything
about the pain because it did not apply back then.
Debi~~*~~

Re: To The Board****welcome****

2008-06-17 17:39:44

Kelly you seem like such a sweet lady. I understand what it like to
have your life stripped from you. Maybe some day you can return to it
after this is over. My prayers are for you.
Debi~~*~~

Re: Addiction is defined

2008-06-17 11:06:57

This makes me think I could be addicted to demerol. I have such bad
cravings for it if I go 4 or more days. Is addiction common with
panceatitis? I have been on it for almost a year. Prayers
Debi~~*~~

Re: ~*~HAPPY ANNIVERSARY~*~

2008-06-17 07:45:49

HAPPY BELATED 1ST ANNIVERSARY WISHES REEANN AND GARY. I hope you have
an even better year this year ahead. Prayers
Debi~~*~~

Robert and Denise

2008-06-17 00:56:36

Thanks for the invite to pancreatitis place. Also thanks for the
depression information. I have a time with that. I could pass the
test only by cheating on them. Not a very good sign is it? Also how
did you do those links. I thought to myself these things will not
work. You are the only one I have ever seen using them. You go a
little further and it shows. Thanks for everything and I hope you and
Denise are doing well. Could tou find out the mg strengths of elevil?
I need to talk to the doctor about an increase. Prayers
Debi~~*~~

Re: Relief At Last

2008-06-16 17:51:57

Andre', Do you think the Elavil is helping give you better days from
pain? I take them also for depression, 6 per day. What mg are you
taking? I am thinking they may have to raise mine up in strength so I
will not have to take so many a day. I also take demerol 6 per day as
needed and here lately they are needed everyday. I hope you continue
to be well. Prayers
Debi~~*~~

Re: Back at the hospital

2008-06-16 12:44:16

Rhonda, I saw your daughter photo and she looks so sweet. It breaks
my heart she has to live this way in so much pain. I will be praying
for her as well. She has so beautiful hair, so red. My entire family
has red hair. I always wondered if red hair had it complications. She
looks like I did in my early childhood. Prayers
Debi~~*~~

Back at the hospital

2008-06-16 11:06:14

Hello,
I ended up bringing Amanda in to the hospital late yesterday. The
pain just kept getting worse and worse and she had been throwing up
all day. Today hasn't been much better, but the doc's finally up'ed
her Demoral dosage and she is getting a little relief now. Thanks
for the kind posts.
Denise, sounds like things are not much better around your house.
Please take care with your blood pressure. Seems like stress can
effect each of us in our own way. Tell Robert I said hello and for
him to take care too.
Rhonda
Tulsa, OK

Fat-Free Toasted Tortilla Chips

2008-06-15 22:43:43

Try thes---they are real good---the dip is coming up next.
Fat-Free Toasted Tortilla Chips
(makes 4 servings)
4 6-inch (15 cm) fat-free flour tortillas
juice of a large fresh lime, strained
chili powder or cayenne pepper
Preheat oven to 350°F (177°C), Gas Mark 4.
Cut each tortilla into 8 wedges. Pour the strained lime juice into a
clean spray
bottle (we use a plastic bottle for misting plants, BUT keep it
exclusively for
this use). Lightly mist each tortilla triangle with the juice. If
using,
sprinkle lightly with chili powder or cayenne pepper.
Place close together in a single layer on a large baking sheet.
Bake for 10 to 12 minutes, until chips are crisp. Serve warm.
Per Serving: 82 calories (0% calories from fat), 2 g protein, 0 total
fat (0
saturated fat), 18 g carbohydrate, 1 g dietary fiber, 0 cholesterol,
247 mg
sodium
Diabetic Exchanges: 1 carbohydrate (1 bread/starch)

LOW-FAT TOASTED ONION DIP

2008-06-15 18:48:17

LOW-FAT TOASTED ONION DIP

BUTTERMILK BISCUITS ~*~Rita & Beauford~*~

2008-06-15 09:21:51

Hello Rita,
You asked me one time for a buscit recipe . Well, my friend Marilyn
gave me one so I thought I would pass it on to you.
Hope you enjoy.
Denise
BUTTERMILK BISCUITS

APPLE ZUCCHINI MUFFINS

2008-06-15 03:15:09

Passing this recipe down from a dear friend of Mine, Marilyn
APPLE ZUCCHINI MUFFINS

Re: Relief At Last~*~Andre' ~*~

2008-06-15 02:00:27

Hello Andre',
Hey YOU!!!! So glad to see you back. Was wondering where you were
at!!! I know you were so happy to finally sleep in your bed again.
Nothing like your own bed for a good nights sleep. Always know that
you are on our minds, even when we don't hear from you!!!! I hope you
are having a good weekend. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Hosted Chat - ReeAnn, 6/13/2004, 7:00 pm

2008-06-14 14:50:30

Reminder Reminder from the Calendar of ThePancreatitisPlace
Hosted Chat - ReeAnn
Sunday June 13, 2004
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Relief At Last

2008-06-14 11:57:54

Hi everyone. Sorry it's been so long since my last post but I have
been trying to adjust to some new medications my Pain Management
doctor prescribed for me. Once more I am on MS Contin (60mg) twice a
day and he increased my Elavil from once at night to 2 a day_in the
morning and one at night. I don't know what is making this work, but
I am finally getting the sort of pain relief I had been expecting for
so long. I was even able to lie down and sleep for a couple of hours
the other day (3 hours total). That was the 1st time I was able to
sleep in a bed since 1997! What a wonderful feeling!!!
Thanks all of you for all of the prayers and words of support. I
don't know what I would have done if it weren't for you guys. This
is not a goodbye note, don't get me wrong. I just wanted to give you
guys some good news from me for a change. I just hope and pray that
it holds up. While I expect to have some down periods, I can handle
them if they aren't every day like before. I've even been able to
eat without the usual pain afterwards!
I hope this finds all of you feeling well and free of pain.
Andre'

Re: Prayers for Amanda~*~Rhonda~*~

2008-06-14 00:49:11

Dear Rhonda,
I am so sorry to hear that Amanda is not doing so well. Please keep
us posted on her condition. If she goes to the hospital, Please let
us know. I checked out your family photos---Very nice!!!! Sure looks
like you had a good time on Vacation. Give Amanda a ((Hug)) for me.
Our thoughts and prayers are with her and your whole family.
God Bless
~*~Denise~*~
Caregivers Moderator
deniseatdiabetes@...
sdhammett@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: Prayers for Amanda

2008-06-13 23:08:01

Rhonda, we haven't met but I have read many of your post and grown to
know your daughter. My son has this illness too We move here to
England so he could get good care. We well be praying for a speedy
recover for Amanda.
God Bless
Edurdo

~*~Hello Everyone--New & Old~*~

2008-06-13 21:03:23

Hello Everyone,
First I would like to Welcome all the New Members. I hope you feel
right at home here at TPP. Feel free to check out all the links and
files,and polls, and put up some photos in the photo section.
The past few days here at the Hammett household has not been too
good. My blood pressure has been real high, the highest was 239/150.
At that time, I was ammitted to the hospital. The blood pressure
medicine that I have been on for the past 5 years seems to be not
working as well as it has been, So the doctor has added another
medicine to go along with it. I will try that for a while and see how
that goes. Today is the first day that I have really felt like
sitting at the computer. Robert got worried about me and it caused
his pancreas to flair up which dominoed the brittle diabetes, causing
him to have very high sugars. We are working to keep both his BS and
my BP stable.
Thanks

Re: [ThePancreatitisPlace] Prayers for Amanda

2008-06-13 15:10:37

Rhonda, I really loved the pictures you put up...looks like a wonderful
vacation..
Im so sorry to hear that Amanda is not doing so well. I know what those attacks
feel like and for a child to go through that really breaks my heart..My prayers
and thoughts are with her and for your family....Please let her know that we
love her deeply.
Your Frienda,
Brenda and kids

Re: SS

2008-06-13 04:20:09

Reeann-
Hooray on the disability. It is great to hear success stories!
Cecilia
Mesa, AZ

Prayers for Amanda

2008-06-13 02:31:17

I hate to say that Amanda is feeling horriable. I just got a call
from her pediatrician and her levels are highly elevated. She has
been in pain and vomiting most of the day. This attack came on very
suddenly and so soon after her last attack. She has never had
attacks so closely together before. Jeff and I are so very worried.
I'm sure we will be heading to the hospital soon, as we have never
been able to manage an attack at home. Please remember Amanda in
your prayers today.
Rhonda
Tulsa, OK
ps - I finally got our vacation pics uploaded.

Thanks to all from Gary & ReeAnn

2008-06-12 21:24:19

Thanks to all from Gary & ReeAnn
Well I took Ree out to a nice place for dinner called Maverick
for our first Anniversary. Every thing was going just fine. I was
saying all the right things, what a husband is expected to say to his
wife on a special day like this. LOL. We where laughing and having
real good time. The food was great and the people treated us like
gold. Then as it happens sometimes Ree was beginning to feel the
pain real bad follow by the nauseated feeling. Both seem to go hand
in hand. Just like two peas in a pot. "Pain & Nausea". She's
beginning to get back on her feet a bit better today. Feeling a
little better finally. Hopefully she feels like going to the movies
tomorrow the weather is going to be great and a good day to be out
walking around. In the 70's I hear. Would be a good day to pick up
where we left off on our Anniversary. I guess this is just part of
the life we have to live dealing with this illness. I will remember
the good times we had that day but I'm sure Ree will recall things a
bit differently then I did.
Thanks to everyone for all the kind words and good wishes. It
meant a lot to the both of us. Keep your fingers cross and wish up
good luck tomorrow but then if things don't work out that's OK to
we'll just curl up on the sofa and watch a little HBO and enjoy a
cold diet root beer instead. We grab the good moment anyway we can.
Oh Bob, Crystal got a treat too so she wasn't left out
totally
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: just checking in with everyone - Kelly

2008-06-12 10:52:26

Hi Kelly -
Sorry to hear you have had bad times last few weeks. I hope you get
all the troubles with your pharmacy worked out quickly!
By the way, if you find that magic fairy, send her to my house!!
Rhonda
Tulsa, OK

Re: Welocme Back Karen

2008-06-12 03:24:27

Gary,
You are really too kind. I'll try to give a brief version of my
story for those of you I don't know.
I am a 43 year old female. I live in Athens, Alabama, which is a
small town about 25 miles west of Huntsville, AL, 10 miles south of
the Tennessee state line. I live with my wonderful husband, Bud,
and my sweetie, KayDee, a miniature dachshund. Bud is my second
husband and we have been married 14 years as of June 1st. This is
the second year in row (and at least the 3rd year out of our 14
years) that I've spent our anniversary in the hospital! However,
Bud is about as close to a saint as guy can be and I could never
have survived the health issues life has handed me if not for him.
Bud and I each one daughter and they are both in college and no
longer living at home. My daughter, Nikki, is 22. She just got
married to her fiance of 2 1/2 years, Jonathan, on May 29th. After
a week honeymoon in Cancun, Mexico, they are now back in Montevallo,
AL (130 miles south of Athens), where they are both students at the
University of Montevallo. Nikki got her B.A. in English in May, but
is continuing on for a masters in education, which she'll have next
May. Jonathan will graduate with a degree in accounting in December
of this year. They plan to live in the Huntsville/Athens area after
they finish college. Bud's daughter/my stepdaughter, Rachel, is 20
years old. She lives in Florence, Alabama, which is about 40 miles
west of Athens. She is a student at the University of North
Alabama. Rachel's boyfriend of three years, Luke, asked her to
marry him and gave her a gorgeous diamond ring on May 29th, only
minutes before the start of Nikki and Jonathan's wedding ceremony!
Soooo, May 29, 2004 will always be a very special day for both of
our daughters, and we really could not be happier. However, I did
tell Rachel and Luke that I need at least a year to recover before
we have another wedding! They haven't set a date yet, but Luke said
it'll probably be about 2 years. Nikki's wedding was quite large
and members who've been in the group know all about it. We had
sooooo many glitches and boy, did we learn a lot. However, the
wedding ceremony was by far the most beautiful I've ever witnessed!
Our minister's words, sermon, reading of the scripture, and even the
vows were soooo incredibly touching and meaningful. Of course,
Nikki was the most beautiful bride. She had the most beautiful maid
of honor (Rachel), maiden of honor (Tori - Nikki's 14 year old sis
by her dad and stepmother), and 2 very close friends as
bridesmaids. The groom was a real hunk and the best man and
groomsmen were not hard on the eyes, either. The flower girl was my
adorable niece, Kaitlyn - 6, and the ring bearer was my nephew,
Michael - 8. Despite the fact that the ceremony was rather long,
the two little ones were remarkable. In the rehearsal the night
before the wedding, they practically ran down the aisle. I knew
they could do better so I promised them $5 if they would slow down
and do their best at the wedding! Amazing what a little bribe can
do! My other nephew, John Cameron - 12, was one of the ushers and
he was perfect, also. I gave each of the kids $20 for their hard
work. The wedding day was a very long day and the kids were so good
all day long. They had to be at the church at 3:30 p.m. and the
reception didn't end til midnight!
Despite the many glitches and lessons learned, which I am not going
to go into because I have promised myself I'm only going to remember
the good things about the wedding and reception, Nikki and Jonathan
left the reception very happy and married. They had a wonderful
week long honeymoon in Cancun and returned home safely. I must say
that it was a lot of fun, a lot of very hard work, and a lot of
lessons learned. We are all glad that it is over and looking
forward to getting the lovely pics and video.
Thankfully, Rachel and Luke want a fairly simple and inexpensive
wedding, so their wedding will be much easier to handle! Unlike
Nikki and Jonathan, Rachel and Luke will only have the money Bud and
I promised both girls for their weddings, so their wedding will have
to be simpler out of sheer necessity. I'm sure it will still be
beautiful, though. Even though Nikki and Rachel are very close,
they are both very different. Nikki is lucky to have two parents
who contribute to her college expenses and also to her wedding
cost. Also, she and Jonathan began a joint savings account within
days of their engagement in order to contribute to the cost of their
wedding. So, they had a significantly larger budget to work with
than Rachel and Luke will have.
Well, so much for short! Those of you who know me, know that short
messages are impossible for me!
Okay, back to my health story. I was diagnosed with systemic lupus
in Oct 1996. I had my first documented attack of acute pancreatitis
in Jan 2000. However, I think I had attacks before that one, but
just attributed them to may gallbladder. My gallbladder finally got
bad enough to show up on tests. The ultrasound showed stones and
sludge and the hida scan showed my gallbladder only functioned at
13%. It was removed on June 1st, which was our 8th wedding
anniversary. Back to the panc. 2000 was a rough year. I was in
and out of the hospital. I had 3 ERCPs with a sphincterotomy done
in the first two. The first ERCP revealed 'sludge' in the common
bile duct. My 3rd ERCP in 2000 was done by a new GI. He told me I
had 'gastric bile reflux' and that was the cause of my pain. He put
me on several stomach meds and assured me I'd never have another
panc attack. He told me if the meds didn't work for the gastric
bile reflux, I could have a gastric bypass which would prevent the
bile from splashing back into my stomach and destroying the stomach
wall lining. I applied for a disability retirement in Dec 2000.
However, my health turned around in March 2001 and only days before
I received my disability approval letter, I decided that I would
turn down the disability and continue working. I assumed my GI was
right and the meds were working and all was well.
For the most part things went well for most of 2001. However,
around October 2001, that 'naggy' pain under my right rib began
getting worse again. I researched the gastric bypass and found that
not only would it 'cure' the gastric bile reflux, it was also
the 'gold standard' in weight loss surgery. Considering that I
weighed 260, which was around 90 lbs overweight for my 5'9" height,
the decision to have a roux-en-y gastric bypass (weight loss
surgery) was really pretty easy. I saw it as a 'two for one' deal!
I'd get rid of the gastric bile reflux and the three stomach meds I
took for it daily and I'd get my excess weight off for good! I had
the gastric bypass in Dec 2001 and I would have again 10 times
over. I had no problems or complications from the surgery and I
will forever believe that if I were still at 260 lbs, my health
problems would be worse. I lost down to 155 lbs, but that was when
I was very sick. My weight now stays around 165-169 lbs except when
my liver decides to not function as well as it should and my body
loads up on fluid - sometimes as much as 10-12 lbs in a two day
period, despite being on 80 mg of lasix and 5 mg of amiloride hcl
daily!
Things went fairly well for several months, although I continued to
have some of the pain that sure felt like a panc attack. The
episodes I was having caused pain that was way beyond the 'naggy'
level! I was having short episodes of pain that was a definite 10,
but it only lasted about 20 minutes or so and was not accompanied by
vomiting. The pain sure felt the same as the pain I'd had with the
acute pancreatitis attacks in 2000 and also the same as the attack
of pain I'd had in Oct 2001 (two months prior to the gastric
bypass). However, my GI did an endoscopy in March 2002 and told me
my new 'small' stomach looked beautiful and there was no inflamation
or gastric bile reflux. He did an MRCP in April 2002 and told me my
panc was perfectly healthy and the attacks of 2000 were a fluke and
I'd never have another attack. I did have a couple of months after
April 2002 with little or no pain, so I decided that the GI must
have been right and I decided that maybe the 'naggy' pain under my
right rib must have just been delayed healing from the gastric
bypass.
Never only lasted 2 months! I was in Virginia on one of my many
business trips when I was hit with the familar pain. This time it
didn't stop. I had a co-worker take me to the ER and was shortly
admitted to the hospital with acute panc. My family was having a
stroke because I was about 500 miles from home. My hubby managed to
fly to VA and it was a darn good thing. It's amazing how much
better you can think you are when all you are doing is lying in a
hospital bed and getting lots of drugs to ease the pain and nausea.
I could never have managed to even get my luggage to the check in
counter to fly home because I was so weak. I was only home for 3
days when I ended up in the hospital with an even worse attack. I
think I was in the hospital about 15 times from July 2002 to
December 2002. The GI did 3 ERCPs between Aug and Dec 02. Because
of the gastric bypass, my intestines have been re-routed. He was
only able to get to the very end of my common bile duct and could
not get to the panc at all. the first ERCP, he just looked. the
second one, he put a stent in the bile duct, and the third he
removed the stent because it didn't seem to help. Each ERCP
resulted in about 12 hours of puking my guts out and many days of
increased pain. As far as I'm concerned, I have had my LAST ERCP!
My GI finally did a liver biopsy in Dec 2002, only 4 months after my
internal med doc began insisting I needed a liver biopsy because my
liver enzymes were 'all over the place' ranging from normal once or
twice to almost 800 (normal is less than about 35). My 'perfectly
healthy' liver revealed that I have autoimmune liver disease -
specifically autoimmune hepatitis (AIH). For those of you who
haven't heard of AIH and most probably haven't because the odds of
having it are only about 1 in 150,000, AIH is caused by my immune
system seeing my liver as foreign and attacking it. Unlike
Hepatitis C, it is not 'caught', nor is it contagious. Well, I
guess you could say I 'caught' it from one of my parents. My sis
and I found out recently that we got a gene from each of our parents
that can cause autoimmune diseases! Strange when you consider that
neither our mom or dad have any autoimmune diseases that we know
of! Anyway, the liver biopsy revealed definite AIH and stage 3
fibrosis. Liver damage is graded on a scale of 0 to 4, with 4 being
cirrhosis. So, my 'perfectly healthy' liver was well on the way to
cirrhosis and a liver transplant! Can you tell I'm a just a little
miffed at my previous GI?
Well, then the GI began insisting that all of my pain and attacks of
acute pancreatitis, which he was calling 'recurrent acute
pancreatitis' were actually caused by the liver disease and as soon
as we got the liver disease under control with prednisone and imuran
(an immunosuppresant), I'd no longer have any pain, nausea, or
vomiting. Never mind that with many of my attacks, my amylase and
lipase were elevated and I presented with pretty classic symptoms of
acute pancreatitis. Luckily, my liver has responded well to the
prednisone and imuran. I'm down to just a very low dose of
prednisone daily and imuran and other than when I have a panc flare
up, my liver enzymes remain in the normal range.
Out of frustration over the continued episodes of pain, nausea, and
vomiting, which my GI kept insisting were caused by the AIH, I went
to Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, TN to see a
hepatologist. He confirmed the diagnosis of AIH after reviewing the
biopsy slides, but wasn't interested in even discussing my panc
problems. He was strictly a 'liver' man! He did send a letter to
my GI and my family doc saying that the AIH appeared to be pretty
well under control and my continued episodes of pain, nausea, and
vomiting were most likely caused by either a pancreas or biliary
tree problem.
Oh, I left out the fact that in Oct 2002, I began having problems
with my blood sugar. First, it just went very low if I went longer
than 2 hours without eating. However, by the end of December, I
began having problems with it going both high and low. When it went
up to around 250 the end of December, I asked my family doc to send
me to an endocrinologist. I was told I had type II diabetes on Jan
17, 2002, only 11 days after being told I had AIH. The endo told me
I was doing all the right things. I had talked to a nutritionist
shortly after the blood sugar problems began and was already
following a diabetic diet. The endo said for me to continue doing
what I was doing because he really didn't want me on any oral meds
for diabetes as they are all hard on the liver. So far, I've
managed to do without meds for diabetes except when I'm in the
hospital with an acute panc attack. I always end up having to be
given insulin once or twice when I have a panc attack.
I also left out the fact that between July 2002 and January 2003,
three different surgeons insisted that I did indeed have chronic
pancreatis, which would explain my developing type II diabetes AFTER
I was no longer at all overweight!
After seeing the hepatologist at Vandy, my family doc discussed my
case with my GI. My GI then told my family doc, that 'yes, he did
think that I had probably had something going on with my bilary tree
in addition to the liver disease'. He said that whatever the
problem was, it was caused by the gastric bypass and I simply needed
to have surgery to reverse the gastric bypass! I told my family doc
that was a load of crap considering the pain was exactly the same as
the pain I'd had during most of 2000 and I reminded my family doc
that I'd seen him after a pretty bad attack in Oct 2001 (two months
prior to the gastric bypass). I was furious that I had wasted so
much time with my GI and decided right then that I would never be
seeing him again.
I intended to get my wonderful internal med doc to refer me to a GI
when I saw him next. Oh, in the meantime, my mother, hubby, and I
looked over my labs. There was a clear pattern of my liver enzymes
elevating every time I went to the ER with what felt like a panc
attack to me. My amylase was normal, though, so the ER docs kept
insisting the problem couldn't be my panc. My local hospital never
bothers to check the lipase because they can't do it in house.
However, my internal med doc is in Huntsville (about 30 miles from
where I live). Sometimes I'd go to the hospital in Huntsville
nearest his office, Crestwood, because I got so much better
treatment there. In looking over my labs, we realized that my
lipase was slightly elevated on the occasions that my liver enzymes
were elevated. I decided that very day that with any future
attacks, I'd let my mom take me to Crestwood, as she'd been begging
me to do. I hated doing that because most of my attacks occurred at
night and the local hospital was only 5 minutes from my house.
Well, low and behold, I had a major attack that very night. Sure
enough, my theory proved true. this time my liver enzymes were back
up around 500 or so and my lipase was definitely elevated. My
amylase was dead center normal and has been every time it's been
checked since then. This was the end of May 2003. I was admitted
with a definite diagnosis of acute pancreatitis. My internal med
doc was not happy to find out that the docs at my local hospital
never bothered to check my lipase, since lipase is actually much
more specific for pancreatitis than amylase is. I spent 4 days in
the hospital and begged my doc to let me out. I was out 36 hours
and back in with an even worse attack. I was admitted again and my
internal med doc called in a new GI who specializes in both liver
and pancreas problems. My panc problems had finally progressed to
the point of showing a little damage on a ct scan. The new
GI/hepatologist told me that I definitely had chronic pancreatitis
in addition to the AIH. Finally, it all made sense! He felt that
one of the main causes of the panc flareups was that my bile didn't
flow well. He put me on actigall to thin the bile and panc enzymes.
Despite the fact that I still have pain on a daily basis and am
hospitalized pretty often, overall I have been much better since
going under the care of my current GI. I am under the care of a
pain management doc, also. I've had four celiac plexus blocks and I
do think they've helped. I also think that having med for pain and
nausea has helped my quality of life tremendously!
My rheumatologist decided she is not willing to just accept that I
have chronic pancreatitis and that I will have these attacks for the
rest of my life and have to go to the ER and/or be hospitalized
several times a year. So, she has referred me to the Mayo Clinic in
Rochester, MN. I discussed with my internal med doc and GI whether
it would be of value for me to go there. they both agreed that if I
could handle the trip, it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a fresh
team of doctors look at my case. According to my GI doc, I am
his 'most unusual and complex' patient! Kind of sad when you know
that he specializes in liver and pancreas problems! Oh, just to
make things even more fun, I have an autoimmune clotting disorder
called the antiphospholipid syndrome. this leads to an increased
risk of blood clots, strokes, heart disease, and miscarriage. I
have been on coumadin for this since Sep 2003. Thank goodness for
the coumadin. I had a definite TIA (mini stroke) in March 2003,
which I will always believe would have been a full blown stroke if I
had not been on the coumadin. My sis and my 22 year old daughter
also have the same clotting disorder. they are currently on aspirin
since their numbers aren't as bad as mine, yet. It's really a
blessing that we were all tested and found out we have the clotting
disorder PRIOR to having any of the problems it can cause!
I also found out around Feb 2004 that I have the same genetic IgG
deficiency that my sister has! We didn't know it, but IgG
deficiencies are very closely linked to autoimmune diseases.
According to the hematologist, my sis and I have no antibodies to
fight off sinus or upper respiratory infections. My sis has to get
monthly IgG supplements via IV, but so far it seems I don't get
infections like she does so we haven't added the IgG supplements to
my list of about 25 medications!
Okay - this has got to be the longest 'short' intro ever!
Karen W
Alabama

Welocme Back Karen

2008-06-11 19:39:36

Welcome back Karen,
Folks I like for everyone to meet and welcome a very special
person back to Tpp. Karen was one of the firsts to join Tpp back in
the beginning. She is very warm and caring person and she can tell
her story way better then I can. So let me be one of the first to
give you warm welcome back Karen.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Re: To Gary From Laura

2008-06-11 16:08:47

Hey Laura,
It is so good to hear from you again, I was worry you my have
missed my post and I was getting pretty concern on how you where
doing, I'm so very sorry you had to go back and stay in the hospital
again. You have gone throw so much and getting little relief for the
pain just make it even harder for you I'm sure. I was able to fine a
islet transplant chat room. The quest speaker is a Doctor who is
very up to date on this and he may be of great help to you. Here the
web site and they have chat every Monday night form 9:00 to 10:00 pm
eastern standard time.
http://www.DiabetesStation.com/
It is so sad to hear about your brother. 40 is such a young
age to have to deal with this illness. But he has one thing going
for him Laura, and that having a loving sister who know exsactly what
he going throw. He will always be able to come to you for help on
the things he doesn't
understand. You will always be there for him Laura.
I hope things work out for you soon Hun and you get the care
you need.. Thanks so much for letting me know how you are doing.
With Warmest Regards & God Bless
Gary Morris ~ Virginia
Customer Service Rep moderator.
Phone 434-490-7191
gary@...
http://www.thepancreatitisplace.org/

Members of TPP Reguarding Spam Attempts

2008-06-11 13:58:45

I would like to say that I am sorry for the delays in your requests.
I would also like to apologise for being short in chat last night. We
had many problems yesterday. My wife is having high blood pressure
problems which resulted in her going to the ER for a brief time. Her
blood pressure remains high through out the day, today. We were also
attacked by attempts to sell a product from a large organization in
Indian. They infected their way into ADI. I had to make rash
decisions on how to stop them from preying on members who would
attempt to try to control diabetes under a snake oil treatment. This
was a stressful decision which resulted in causing me slight
pancreatitis problems by itself. I am in no way ashame in my decision
to control and rid them from the group. I will enclose some of the
articles which resulted in the battle. I urge you not to reply or
attempt these services. This is just to show the attempt we try to
keep you away from in TPP and ADI. TPP seems better able to control
these attacks than our new group as it is growing at a fast pace.
I ask for your understanding,
Robert
Founder "All Diabetic International"
General Manager "The Pancreatitis Place"
rehammett@...

The Hidden Side of Psychiatry

2008-06-11 08:47:42

http://www.sntp.net/null1.htm
Hidden Side of Psychiatry
by Gary Null, Ph.D.
Mental illness is at an all-time high, with 40 million Americans
affected, according to reports emanating from organized psychiatry.
But just how accurate is this account? As you will see, people
seeking help from the mental health industry are often misdiagnosed,
wrongfully treated, and abused. Others are deceptively lured to
psychiatric facilities, or even kidnapped. No matter how they arrive,
though, once they are there, inmates lose all freedoms and are forced
to undergo dangerous but sanctioned procedures, such as
electroconvulsive therapy and treatment with powerful drugs, that can
leave them emotionally, mentally, and physically marked for life.
Some psychiatric patients are physically and sexually abused.
Millions more are told that they need harmful medications, such as
Prozac and Ritalin, but are not told of the seriously damaging side
effects of these.
Add to all this a mammoth insurance fraud - which we all pay for -
and what we have, in sum, is the dark side of psychiatry. Millions of
individuals are being grievously harmed by the mental health
profession, and it's time that we as a society faced this.
Section Index:
Fraudulent Practices in Mental Health
Insurance Scams
Patient Brokering
Bogus and Nonexistent Treatments
Abusive Treatments
Your Taxes Pay for This
Psychiatric Research
Inhumane Treatment
Involuntary Commitment
Electroconvulsive Therapy
Deep Sleep Therapy
Sexual Abuse Exploitation of Minorities
Abuse of Senior Citizens
Prozac: A Second Opinion
Worthless Clinical Trials
The Medical Industrial Complex
Side Effects of Prozac
Tardive Dystonia and Tardive Dyskinesia
Sexual Dysfunction
Biochemical Imbalance
Dependency
Overcoming Depression Without Drugs
Fraudulent Practices in Mental Health
Fraud in the mental health industry goes beyond being a problem; it's
more like an all-pervasive condition. By way of introductory
illustration, let's look at the recent legal problems of a company
that owned several chains of psychiatric hospitals, National Medical
Enterprises (NME). As author Joe Sharkey reported in his book
Bedlam1,2 in 1993 the FBI completed its investigation of fraud in
NME's psychiatric hospitals and raided several NME facilities, in
Texas, Colorado, Indiana, Arizona, Missouri, California, Wisconsin,
and Minnesota. Sharkey described the extent of the morass into which
this enterprise had sunk:
"An estimated 130 lawsuits were filed against NME's psychiatric
hospitals by patients. Between 1992 and early 1993, three major suits
were filed by insurance companies against NME for insurance fraud.
These suits identified more than $1 billion in claims paid to NME's
psychiatric hospitals. One month after the FBI raids, NME agreed to
pay $125 million to settle two of the large insurance company
lawsuits. Soon after, they settled the third suit - bringing the
total costs in legal fees and settlements to about $315 million....
"In April 1994, NME paid almost $375 million in fines to the US
Department of Justice for violations of Federal law. NME had
announced that it would completely divest itself of its psychiatric
hospitals and reserved $237 million to cover the write-offs for
selling them. All told, NME's settlements and fines have totaled $927
million."
Insurance Scams
The wrongdoings of NME are not the exception; indeed, insurance fraud
seems to be the bread and butter of the mental health industry. Scams
occur whenever a psychiatrist or a psychiatric institution bills
Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance companies for work they
didn't do, for unnecessary or bogus treatments, or for patients
confined against their will. Here are a few examples.
Patient Brokering
Consider this story, carried by the Los Angeles Times in 19943:
"Michael quickly realized that A Place For Us wasn't a place for him.
Overweight and suffering from stress, the New Yorker had flown cross
country to attend what was advertised as a weight loss clinic in
southern California. The airfare was free and the treatment, he was
told, was fully covered by his Blue Cross plan. But when Michael
reached Los Angeles, he was shocked to see himself booked into a
psychiatric hospital in a rundown section of [town] where he was
diagnosed as suffering from psychotic depression and bulimia,
conditions he denies ever having. Then he was told he couldn't leave.
Michael is one of many stories emerging from federal and state
lawsuits in Los Angeles in which insurers accuse A Place For Us of
enlisting doctors and hospital staff to falsify diagnosis and medical
records in order to obtain payment for treatment that, whatever its
value to patients, was not covered by their health plans."
Michael's story is not an isolated incident. Overweight people are
frequent targets of insurance scams. Patient brokers fraudulently
advertise 1-800 numbers on television, and people call in thinking
that they are talking to health spa representatives. In actuality,
they are speaking to sales agents of psychiatric facilities whose
only motive is to determine whether or not potential clients have
insurance, since the size of their commission depends upon how many
patients they can get into the hospital and how long they can keep
them there.
It's hard to believe that this is going on in America, but the
reality is that, as a result of gross deception by sales agents,
people are frequently unaware of the fact that they are about to
enter psychiatric institutions. If an unsuspecting party has
coverage, the person is flown free to a facility, usually located in
Florida or California. A limo awaits at the airport, and the place
seems very accommodating until the person actually arrives at the
facility and is locked up against his or her will. Once the person
realizes what is going on, it's too late. People who become upset and
attempt to leave can be threatened or diagnosed as combative.
Civil litigation attorney Randy Lakel works pro bono to represent
patients who were voluntarily committed to psychiatric facilities by
deceptive patient brokers. He describes a case involving two men from
eastern Pennsylvania who were approached by people in the crowd at an
Overeaters Anonymous meeting and taken aside.4 The brokers suggested
to them that maybe they needed a little extra help, which could be
offered by professionals at overeaters' clinics. The men were lured
to the institution under false pretenses and then locked up.
Lakel believes that the problem has reached huge
proportions: "...There are federal grand juries investigating this.
I've also spoken to general counsel from very large insurance
companies that have called me up to inquire whether their insurance
company was involved in any of my investigations.... The general
impression I got from the mention of a grand jury investigation and
the general counsel from a large insurance company was that it was
not an isolated incident that I was dealing with."
The broken world of patient brokering encompasses more than fat farm
fraud; it affects people who might need help with all types of
problems. A nine-month investigation of deceptive brokering practices
conducted by Florida's St. Petersburg Times was enlightening - and
upsetting.5 It was found that patient brokers sometimes share their
finder's fees with school counselors who help provide likely young
candidates for the brokers' institutions, or with public health
workers, union representatives, or police and probation officers who
steer prospective patients their way. Finder's fees can be as high as
$3000 per patient. Another investigation finding was that patients
are sometimes given false diagnoses, for insurance purposes. This is
not surprising. The trouble is (on a personal level, and letting
alone the issue of massive fraud!) these false diagnoses of mental
illness can return to haunt patients throughout their lives. Indeed,
according to Randy Lakel, the worst part of the problem is having a
psychiatric record for life:
"Once people are committed, it goes on their insurance record. These
people...are appalled that they now have a psychiatric record for the
rest of their lives. It can interfere with any kind of employment
opportunity. One of the people I talked to was a professional in the
medical field. In her application, she was afraid that they were
going to ask her if she ever had psychiatric commitment. How do you
get that off the record? That, from a legal point of view, is clearly
a damage."4
A disturbing aspect of patient brokers and referral services is that
they are largely unregulated. As the St. Petersburg Times reported,5
in Florida and other states, referral personnel do not need licenses
or special training before they can deal with the sick and the
troubled. So people with criminal records are among the brokers, many
of whom will do whatever it takes to get one more body into a
treatment center.
Says Paul McDevitt, a licensed Massachusetts mental health
counselors: "These people have no ethics at all. They're morally
bankrupt. They're like the grave robbers in old England who provided
cadavers for the medical schools. The grave robbers of today are
taking the bodies of those so confused as to be dead and shipping
them out to treatment centers where they never get well. And the
doctors who are the pillars of society are still reaping the benefits
and still never asking where the bodies come from."
Bogus and Nonexistent Treatments
Psychiatric facilities consistently charge consumers for
nontherapeutic treatments or services not performed. Adolescent
facilities are common perpetrators of this abuse. One Texas hospital,
for example, billed insurance companies $40 a day for relaxation
therapy. This treatment, which simply consisted of turning on Muzac
while teenagers were getting undressed, was actually far more
exorbitant when you consider that each patient's insurance company
was billed that price for one person turning on the Muzac one time.
Bruce Wiseman is president of the Citizens Commission on Human
Rights, an organization that champions mental health consumer
protection.6 He can provide a plethora of examples of how
psychiatrists rip off the system. Wiseman tells of a Texas
psychiatrist who was known for his hundred-dollar handshake. All he
would do was walk by the beds of various patients, shake hands with
them, and then bill each person's insurance company a hundred
dollars. Another investigation discovered that charges for
nutritional counseling were to cover the person going to lunch.
Insurance companies are also charged for individual therapy when a
group of people are placed in a room together and told to scream at
each other for a couple of hours. These would be a little bit funny
if they weren't so devastating in terms of what they do to insurance
premiums and our taxes."7
Wiseman states that psychiatrists collect $600,000 to 900,000 a year
on bogus or nonexistent treatments. "We have plenty of cases where
they just bill the insurance company or the government for treatment
that was never given. They don't even see the patient and they send
the bills in."7
Abusive Treatments
The scenario worsens when you consider that economic exploitation is
often coupled with physical abuse. Wiseman tells how an adolescent
facility in Reno tormented a 15 year-old boy and then billed his
parents' insurance company $400,000:
"They would drug this kid with Haldol, a so-called antipsychotic
drug, until he was in a stupor, and then tie him in four-point
restraints. They would tie his hands and feet to the bed, and then
tickle him until he was hysterical. For that "treatment" this child's
parents' insurance company was billed $400,000, and the insurance
company paid it! If anyone else does to a child what the psychiatrist
does, it is called child abuse. But here the insurance company pays
almost half a million dollars for it. This is the kind of treatment
and insurance fraud that exists.
This is not an isolated incident, Wiseman explains, but typical of
what goes on: "In the Reno facility, children are subject to frequent
take-downs. If a kid 'smarts off' or jumps the guards, he or she is
physically abused. One patient in a Texas hospital had her legs
strapped to a chair for four hours because she was moving her legs.
They called it purposeful exercise, which she was not supposed to do.
Kids are made to stand and look at a wall for 16 hours a day for
months on end. There is also sexual abuse regularly going on in these
hospitals."8
Nickie Saizon, who regrettably placed her son in a psychiatric
facility, says that routine punishments were called treatment. Her
insurance company was billed exorbitant amounts for these procedures:
"If they punished them with a time out, they had to sit in a chair in
the hallway all day without moving. They charged $37.50 for that.
When the kids would get mad and angry, they would have a nurse and
counselors surround the kids and tell them, 'Get mad, get it out,
have your fit.' They would keep on until they got mad and really
started having a big fit. Then they put them down on the floor, held
them there, and cut their shirt off. For that they charged $45. Then
they put them in a room which they call a think tank. The room is
bare and empty. There is no carpet, no chairs, nothing. They have to
go in there and think over how they should have handled the
problem.... They charged $87.50 for this room. Every time you turned
around there were hidden costs.9
Wiseman believes that people would be outraged to learn what really
goes on in these institutions: "The general public isn't aware of it,
but one would be hard pressed to walk into any psychiatric hospital
and not weep at the 'treatment' that occurs in these places."8
Your Taxes Pay for This
In the final analysis, fraudulent insurance pract